From: Shalom M. Mandaville [limnes../../VIEW/ICON/atsign-bold.gifchebucto.ns.ca]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:03 AM
To: 'Walter'
Cc: Wayne Stobo PhD (Chair-HWAB-HRM); Councillor Debbie Hum (humd@halifax.ca); Councillor Gloria McCluskey (Dartmouth Lakes Advisory Board-HRM); Marilyn More (MLA-Dartmouth South Portland Valley) (marilynmoremla@ns.aliantzinc.ca); Mayor Peter Kelly (kellyp@halifax.ca); NSEL-Water Line (delwater@gov.ns.ca); Dy. Mayor Sue Uteck (utecks@halifax.ca); Councillor Andrew Younger (youngea@halifax.ca); Sandy Ray PhD (Bedford Watershed Advisory Board-BWAB) (sankar.ray@ns.sympatico.ca); Prof. Christopher Taggart PhD (Oceanography-Dalhousie Univ.) (chris.taggart@dal.ca); Councillor Brad Johns (johnsbr@halifax.ca); Councillor Robert Harvey (harveyb@halifax.ca); Councillor Bill Karsten (karsteb@halifax.ca); St. Margaret’s Bay Stewardship Association (community@heartofthebay.ca); Springfield Lake Watch (springfield@eastlink.ca); Marilyn Challis (Second Lake Regional Park) (marijam@accesswave.ca); Hon. Mark Parent PhD-Divinity (Minister-NSEL) (min_el@gov.ns.ca); Councillor Gary Martin (Bedford Watershed Advisory Board-HRM) (martinga@halifax.ca); Councillor Harry McInroy (mcinroh@halifax.ca); Councillor Mary Wile (Halifax Watershed Advisory Board-HRM) (wilema@halifax.ca); Leo Glavine (Liberal Environment Critic)
Subject: Further scientific info RE: My comments re the HRM water quality report you just sent last night :- RE: fyi

(Just click on underlined words to access the relevant web links).

 

To: Walter Regan (Chair, Sackville Rivers Association) and the original Cc’d recipients: I am sending this email as a corollary to the one I sent you all at 5:54 AM yesterday morning since I am adding some more scientific rationale on the significant shortcomings in the lake water quality report prepared for the HRM Regional Council by Dr. Tony Blouin. As it is a public document, it should concern all of us intensely!

 

I am totally aware that the Cc’d councillors and His Worship will be busy for a few weeks with the budget deliberations but hopefully they will find some time to devour this e-mail ASAP since some long term lake stressors will not go away; there is vastly more interest in lakes now than ever as witnessed by the springing up of stewardship groups all over HRM as well as the many emails I receive regularly asking for info, etc.!     

 

In addition, I will cite further from Wetzel’s 2001 state-of-the-art limnology textbook as (the info in brackets is mine for explanations):--

"Trophy of a lake refers to the rate at which organic matter is supplied by or to the lake per unit time. ……………..…………….. Trophy, then, is an expression of the combined effects of organic matter to the lake! As developed originally and as largely used today, the trophic concept (e.g., TP, Cha, SD, and TN) refers to the pelagic-zone-planktonic portion of the lake ecosystem. The littoral flora and its often dominating supply of autochthonous organic matter to the system, was, and usually still is, ignored.”

 

HRM never analyzed and quantified the autochthonous organic matter at all and neither do most studies (we have done it sporadically though we now totally shifted to biomonitoring which is also highly promoted by the CCME and Federal agencies on both sides of the border in a big way)!

 

Especially note pages marked as 2-4 (which are pages 9-11 in the PDF document) of the scoping assessment (2006) prepared for the CCME! The CCME (i.e., Environment Canada) already informed me that their Phosphorus Policy is just that, i.e., based on one stressor, and was never intended as all-inclusive and they assumed the reader would understand it!

 

To the additional recipients most of whom have a scientific background: Kindly study the email I enclosed below that I sent others yesterday. This email is now Bcc’d among others to Dr. Joe Kerekes, Scientist Emeritus at Environment Canada Atlantic, who was also one of the invitees to the August 17, 2006 meeting at the NS Environment Dept. (NSEL) that I had alluded to in my yesterday’s email. All of these vents are indeed `inter-related’, one way or the other!

 

It was indeed Dr. Kerekes (also an associate of my team) who had educated me back in Spring-1991 about the total importance of the OECD Probability Distribution diagrams. Dr. Kerekes was indeed the co-author (with Dr. Vollenweider that I referred to in yesterday’s e-mail) of the final OECD report.

 

It is real easy to establish the `probabilities’, anyone with a high school education can do it! Any trophic state based on just pelagic parameters with higher probabilities does not necessarily imply that it is indeed the true state; a lower probability cannot be ruled out for the very reasons that Dr. Vollenweider explained to me (listen to a 4-minute mp3 excerpt of our lengthy phone discussions).

 

 

 

 


From: Shalom M. Mandaville [mailto:limnes../../VIEW/ICON/atsign-bold.gifchebucto.ns.ca]           [TOP]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:54 AM
To: 'Walter'
Cc: Wayne Stobo PhD (Chair-HWAB-HRM); Councillor Debbie Hum (humd@halifax.ca); Councillor Gloria McCluskey (Dartmouth Lakes Advisory Board-HRM); Marilyn More (MLA-Dartmouth South Portland Valley) (marilynmoremla@ns.aliantzinc.ca); Mayor Peter Kelly (kellyp@halifax.ca); NSEL-Water Line (delwater@gov.ns.ca); Dy. Mayor Sue Uteck (utecks@halifax.ca); Councillor Andrew Younger (youngea@halifax.ca)

 

Thank you Walter (Regan of the Sackville Rivers Association) for `heads up’, i.e., for keeping me in touch regularly and sending me the HRM (Dr. Tony Blouin’s) report to the Regional Council; in this particular case, I was indeed aware of it since I was peeking at the Council agenda yesterday morning but please do keep me in touch in future. For potential multiple value, I am Cc’ng to other possibly interested officials.

I shall do my best to summarize (in 11 focused points) but I will be happy to expand further if invited to make a presentation by anybody to anybody; these days, as a rule, I am available only on Wednesdays and Sundays. Underlined words are clickable relevant web links:

 

(1)   Firstly, HRM’s inlake chemical data is not detailed and has not taken into account many parameters which show the exact opposite in some cases, alas! HRM’s data was collected at a level that is typically carried out by volunteer groups and not by anyone considered as a `leading limnologist`!

In addition, nowhere does it explain the collection as well as the analytical methodologies (towards the end of this e-mail, I will explain more about major shortcomings in phosphorus analyses as was revealed over the last 5 long years and that applies to some of my own team’s past data as well which Tony also obviously used in his analyses to the Regional Council)!

(2)   In addition, Tony’s determination of the `trophic status’ is based on ancient methodology and not what has been discussed at numerous international scientific conferences attended by leading scientists throughout the world. True trophic status is NOT defined based on such indicators exclusively.

Wetzel’s year-2001 state-of-the-art text book clearly summarizes leading peer reviewed published papers, and I cited it exactly in our Master Homepage and excerpts are, "Trophy of a lake refers to the rate at which organic matter is supplied by or to the lake per unit time."!

The late Bob Wetzel of the USA was one of the three (3) leading limnologists in the whole world and he was indeed a Scientific Director of my group (he passed away on April 18, 2005). Bob had sent me several e-mails and even some manuscripts.

(3)   Neither phosphorus nor chlorophylla can do total justice to the definition.

In addition, the inlake chemical standards originate from deep lakes whereas almost all lakes in HRM (and all over in Nova Scotia) are shallow.

(4)   Almost all the standards inclusive of our Canadian CCME guidelines are from work spearheaded by Dr. Richard Vollenweider but they totally ignored his major cautions, alas.

(5)   The limnology of shallow lakes can be quite different as discussed at numerous international conferences.

(6)   One has to carry out a whole bunch of BIOLOGICAL ANALYSES before one can truly conclude one way or the other.

(7)   The methodology Tony Blouin followed is/was also followed by many others inclusive of my team in the past until we found that was not the proper definition of trophic status. Many have unfortunately OVERSIMPLIFIED and that is the fundamental problem.

He did cite the CCME’s guidelines properly but if one reads clearly the background report of Environment Canada (cited in the CCME document), shortcomings of depending totally on chemical data are indeed noted there.

I have already discussed these aspects with senior professionals at Environment Canada’s head office and Cc’d to the CCME (the CCME does not have any scientists on staff, they rely on other Government agencies).

(8)   In addition, as I stated at some past meetings of the HWAB (Halifax Watershed Advisory Board) as well as at several meetings of the Nova Scotia Dept. of Environment inclusive of the one held on August 17, 2006, trophic status can only be ascertained on a PROBABILISTIC LEVEL using the routine parameters!

Kindly listen to the short 4-minute mp3 sound file of Dr. Richard Vollenweider on this subject; Dr. Vollenweider is only one of the four Canadians to have ever been a recipient of the top international medal in limnology, the Naumann-Thienemann Medal! Bob Wetzel of the USA was also a recipient of that medal as well.

(9)   In addition, a lot of the historic phosphorus data (including our own) is QUESTIONABLE!

The VG labs had admitted 3 years ago that their phosphorus analyses was incorrect; until then, other local labs inclusive of the private labs (which I believe Tony was referring to in his report) had their analyses conducted at the VG labs.

I am not sure how accurate the CWRS-Dalhousie data was/is as well since they have never been peer reviewed by CAEAL and others.

The local labs (excepting CWRS) now subcontract to the NB Provincial Lab at Moncton for such analyses, but questions have arisen about their accuracy as well with respect to the phosphorus values at the lower end of the range (there is assumed to be no problem at the higher levels)!

That is one of the reasons we send some of our samples to the Federal labs and some even to the top ones in the USA although we used the aforesaid labs in Halifax in the past (and I am not too proud to strongly self-critique some of our own past data as well).

(10)                But we put lot more emphasis on detailed biological monitoring (more emphasis on zoobenthos and phytobenthos)! Most state-of-the-art limnologists also do the same (all one has to do is keep on top of the scientific literature on a regular basis).

(11)                In addition, Tony Blouin also states that the trophic status of Russell Lake (Dartmouth) was eutrophic/hypereutrophic but he based his opinion on the some archives that I had supplied him.

Those archives originate with the NSEL!

You and Dr. Wayne Stobo of HWAB are aware of the first ever paleolimnology being conducted by the Queen’s and Trent Universities. They have challenged the historical data of NSEL and went into considerable detail with me that I also shared with many at HRM and the NSEL.

Hence, one should forget the local historic chemical data for now and use it only as an intellectual discussion point.

I originally got quite upset with Prof. Dr. John Smol FRSC (as Councillor McCluskey can recall) but he does make sense and he has become one of the world’s leading paleolimnologists.

He recently was awarded the coveted Evelyn Hutchinson Medal by the ASLO and Wayne Stobo must be aware of the credibility of that medal (there is one scientist, Trevor Platt, at BIO who was also a recipient of it though in another sub-discipline)!

 

 

 

 

Shalom Murti Mandaville Post-Grad Dip., Professional Lake Manage.

Chair & Scientific Director

Soil & Water Conservation Society of Metro Halifax- SWCSMH, a multi-discipline scientific/technical stakeholder group

 

Tel: 902-463-7777

  • Include professional limnologists, especially applied limnologists (i.e., lake managers), in any scientific appraisal and/or decision making w.r.t lakes and rivers!

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From: Walter [mailto:wregan@accesscable.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:40 PM
To: S.M. Mandaville
Subject: fyi